ProvDayJuly2017 < IVOA

---+ Provenance meeting in Paris, France, 2017 July 27th afternoon and 28th

supported by OV-France, GAVO, Paris Astronomical Data Center and the ASTERICS Project.
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---++ Participants

Please insert your name here and your estimated arrival/leaving times.

| *Surname* | *Organisation* | *Arrival time* | *Leaving time* |
| Michèle Sanguillon | LUPM, Montpellier, France | 2017 July 27, 13:53 at the train station | 2017 July 28, 17:07 from the train station |
| Mireille Louys | CDS, Icube, Strasbourg University | 2017 July 27, 12:00 | 2017 July 28, 18:00 |
| François Bonnarel | CDS, Strasbourg University | remotely via skype | |
| Mathieu Servillat | LUTH, Meudon, France | | |
| Markus Nullmeier | GAVO / Uni Heidelberg | 2017 July 27, 13:00 .. 13:30 | 2017 July 28, 15:00 |
| Kristin Riebe | AIP | 2017 July 27, 13:15 - 14:00 | 2017 July 28, 19:00 |
| Anastasia Galkin | AIP | 2017 July 27. 13:00 | 2017 July 28 17:00 |
| Ole Streicher | AIP | 2017 July 27, 13:00 .. 13:30 | 2017 July 28, 13:03 from the train station |
| Catherine Boisson | LUTH | Friday morning | |
| Julien Lefaucheur | LUTH | Friday morning | |
| Karl Kosack | CEA Saclay - CTA | Maybe on Friday morning | |
---++ Venue

A room is reserved for us at the Observatoire de Paris, 77, Avenue Denfert-Rochereau, 75014 Paris

We will meet at the class room, B building on the ground floor (label 15 on the map):

[[https://www.obspm.fr/acces-au-site-de-paris.html?lang=en]]
---++ Topics

*Thursday, 27. July 2017*

<span style="background-color: transparent;">Timeline for draft before Santiago: </span>

<img width="708" alt="timeline.jpeg" src="%ATTACHURL%/timeline.jpeg" height="215" />
   * reminder of the time line for the IVOA provenance DM recommendation
   * The contribution for ADASS and the interop are poster and current status respectively. 
      * CTA pipe and activity description in UWS server
      * Poster of Michele
      * <img width="305" alt="poster.jpg" src="%ATTACHURL%/poster.jpg" height="351" /> <img width="298" alt="poster2.jpg" src="%ATTACHURL%/poster2.jpg" height="223" />

   * 2- progress on implementations Provenance data tools: <br /> <img width="279" alt="tools.jpg" src="%ATTACHURL%/tools.jpg" height="366" /> 
      * RAVE: 
         * ProvDAL implementation
         * ActivityFlow serialisation
         * general remarks, questions
      * CTA 
         * ActivityDescription content within OPUS
         * CTAPIPE Provenance class

   * ProvDAL<span style="background-color: transparent;"> questions:</span> 
      * Provenence graph is a directional graph. The search on the graph edges is done by key words BACKWARDS and FORWARDS with a numerical value that defines the number of edges taken into account.Implementation of FORWARDS will be optional (voted, 4 pro; 1 against) If not implemented but given, return an error. To get all edges in a direcion, use FORWARDS=ALL resp. BACKWARDS=ALL.If ommitted, they default to zero.
<img width="538" alt="provdal_traversing.jpg" src="%ATTACHURLPATH%/provdal_traversing.jpg" style="background-color: transparent;" height="238" />

   * [[%ATTACHURL%/Provenance-Implementations-Paris-2017.pdf][Provenance-Implementations-Paris-2017.pdf]]: Talk by Kristin on Progress on RAVE Django web application
*Friday, 28. July 2017*

   * CDS serialisation and VOtable format
   * implementation of HiPS generation and simple image processing workflows (CDS, strasbourg) Mireille and François
   * [[%ATTACHURL%/ProvenanceDM-ImplementationStrasbourg_statusJuly2017_28.pptx][ppt]]
   * Pollux
   * CTA requirements
   * Discussion on the graph walking. The provenance of a node can be queried in given depth. Keyword BACKWARDS (ALL as default value) and FORWARDS (0 as default) can be used for that. Optional there are following keywords set at false on default: 
      * expand_agentrelation
      * expand_flow
      * expand_collection
<img width="250" alt="IMG_20170728_134058376_2.jpg" src="http://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/ProvDayJuly2017/IMG_20170728_134058376_2.jpg" style="background-color: transparent;" title="IMG_20170728_134058376_2.jpg" height="299" /><img width="500" alt="IMG_20170728_134112810_2.jpg" src="http://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/ProvDayJuly2017/IMG_20170728_134112810_2.jpg" style="background-color: transparent;" title="IMG_20170728_134112810_2.jpg" height="260" /><img width="250" alt="IMG_20170728_134145275_2.jpg" src="http://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/ProvDayJuly2017/IMG_20170728_134145275_2.jpg" style="background-color: transparent;" title="IMG_20170728_134145275_2.jpg" height="272" />

   * Discussion on the open issues in the draft
   * time plan for the provenance draft to become an IVOA recommendation 
      * description classes discussion (started by Mathieu) here or in next section
      * VODML representtaion of the model
      * Fri Morning /reference implementations for the draft: which ones should be ready, which functionality

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txt	2017-07-27-Provenance-Meeting-Paris-discussion-notes.txt	r1	manage	8.8 K	2017-08-02 - 22:14	KristinRiebe	Discussion notes, from Kristin
jpg	IMG_20170727_151941214.jpg	r1	manage	3274.8 K	2017-07-27 - 13:25	OleStreicher	Timeline for draft before Santiago
jpg	IMG_20170728_134058376_2.jpg	r1	manage	27.5 K	2017-07-28 - 12:08	AnastasiaGalkin
jpg	IMG_20170728_134112810_2.jpg	r1	manage	1036.0 K	2017-07-28 - 12:02	AnastasiaGalkin
jpg	IMG_20170728_134145275_2.jpg	r1	manage	36.2 K	2017-07-28 - 12:10	AnastasiaGalkin
pdf	Provenance-Implementations-Paris-2017.pdf	r1	manage	1647.4 K	2017-07-27 - 16:15	KristinRiebe	Talk by Kristin on Progress on RAVE Django web application
pptx	ProvenanceDM-ImplementationStrasbourg_statusJuly2017_28.pptx	r1	manage	7519.3 K	2017-07-28 - 14:38	MireilleLouys	test data base for provenance @CDS - python script for ingestion and queries
xml	cdsInput-vot.xml	r1	manage	67.1 K	2017-07-28 - 14:30	MireilleLouys	VOtable list of clases to feed the CDS test DB
jpg	poster.jpg	r1	manage	83.7 K	2017-07-27 - 13:48	OleStreicher	Poster
jpg	poster2.jpg	r1	manage	38.8 K	2017-07-27 - 13:48	OleStreicher	Poster
jpg	provdal_traversing.jpg	r1	manage	42.1 K	2017-07-27 - 15:28	OleStreicher	ProvDAL traversing option
xml	queryResponse-taplike-VOTable.xml	r1	manage	2.1 K	2017-07-28 - 14:33	MireilleLouys	query response (taplike) in votable format . F.Bonnarel
json	queryResponse1-taplike.json	r1	manage	2.0 K	2017-07-28 - 14:32	MireilleLouys	Query response (taplike) in Json format . François B
jpeg	timeline.jpeg	r1	manage	48.9 K	2017-07-27 - 13:29	OleStreicher	Timeline for draft before Santiago
jpg	tools.jpg	r1	manage	30.5 K	2017-07-27 - 13:57	OleStreicher	Provenance data tools

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