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---+ Data Model Working Group Sessions: May 2024, Sydney, Australia

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*Times are in Sydney (Australia) locale (GMT+10).*

*DM Session 1: High Energy focus*
| *DM 1 - Tuesday, May 21, 14:00 -- 15:30, C122* ||||
| *Speaker* | *Time* | *Title* | *Materials* |
| Mathieu Servillat | 10' + 2' | <b>Overview based on the Note prepared by the HE group</b><br /> <p>Following earlier discussions over severals years, a High Energy group formed at IVOA [1] in 2023, and started to write an IVOA Note [2] to explain the specificities of High Energy Data and potential objectives for a High Energy Interest Group within IVOA.</p> <p>[1] https://wiki.ivoa.net/twiki/bin/view/IVOA/HEGroup<br />[2] [[%PUBURL%/IVOA/HEGroup/2024-05-16_VOHE-Note-draft.pdf][https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/HEGroup/2024-05-16_VOHE-Note-draft.pdf]]</p> | <a href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2024DM/2024-05-21_IVOA_HE_Note_-_Servillat.pdf" target="_blank">pdf</a> |
| Ian Evans | 15' + 3' | <b>Why High Energy Data Are Different</b><br /> <p>We review high energy astrophysics data, using Chandra X-ray Observatory data as an example. Some key differences in calibration and data analysis approaches that are used when handling energetic photons are discussed, together with the implications for data models. We also consider more broad data analysis techniques that are used routinely by Chandra observers and in the Chandra Source Catalog (and that are being used ever more widely throughout the astronomical community), and why measurement models must be expanded to handle them.</p> | <a href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2024DM/Evans_Sydney_Interop_2024.pdf" target="_blank">pdf</a> |
| Bruno Khelifi, Atreyee Sinha, Mathieu Servillat | 15' + 3' | <b>High Energy Data in Gamma-ray Astronomy</b><br /> <p>We present the additional specificities of Gamma-ray astronomy data, particularly for Cherenkov astronomy and the future Cherenkov Telescope Array Observatory (CTAO). The Gammapy project and VODF (VHE Open Data Format) initiative will be presented to expose those specificities.</p> | <a href="https://wiki.ivoa.net/internal/IVOA/InterOpMay2024DM/2024-05-21_Gammapy_and_VODF_-_Sinha-Khelifi-Servillat.pdf" target="_blank">pdf</a> |
| Mathieu Servillat and all | 10' + 2' | <b>Experience on building an ObsCore service for HE event-lists</b><br /> <p>Photon counting in High Energy Astronomy leads to the generation of lists of events used as a starting point for further data analysis. Though ObsCore can expose data product of type "event", such services are virtually non-existent in the VO. We initiate the discussion on how ObsCore can be used for High Energy event-lists based on the current service hosted at Paris Astronomical Data Centre exposing the H.E.S.S. public data release.</p> | [[%ATTACHURL%/2024-05-21_ObsCore_access_to_HESS_public_data_-_Servillat.pdf][pdf]] |
| Mark Cresitello-Dittmar | 15' + 3' | <b>Data models: compatibility with High Energy data </b><br /><br />A brief review of the data models supporting high energy data (eg: event lists), and possible paths for enabling use cases with more complex data products and workflows | [[%ATTACHURL%/Models_and_HE_Data.pdf][pdf]] |
| | | Open Discussion | |

*DM Session 2: General Session*
| *DM 2 - Wednesday, May 22, 11:00--12:30, C122 (Paris, Tue 03:00)* ||||
| *Speaker* | *Time* | *Title* | *Materials* |
| Paul Harrison | 15' + 3' | <b>VODML enhancement requests and Data Model Development</b><br /><br /> A series of extensions to VO-DML will be presented, with a roadmap to VO-DML 1.2 - all the proposed new features of VO-DML 1.1 (and some of 1.2) have been tested withing the VODML tooling for some time now. Some of the new features of the VO-DML tooling such as JSON schema will also be presented. <p>In addition some ideas for a different Data Model roadmap will be presented.</p> | [[%ATTACHURL%/VO-DML_Extensions_PAH.pdf][pdf]]  |
| Laurent Michel | 15' + 3' | <b>MANGO, a Model for Annotating Generic Objects </b><br /><br />Mango is a !DataModel proposal designed to represent open-ended collections of complex properties such as we find in data tables.<br />We consider a property to be complex if it is built with multiple parameters, possibly associated with complex errors, flags or even other properties.<br />The purpose of Mango is to facilitate the processing of data tables property by property rather than column by column, which requires clients to infer the property components.<br />The properties supported by Mango can be modeled by classes imported from other data models (Meas/Coords, photDM …) or by built-in classes. | [[%ATTACHURL%/2024-Mango-DM-Sydney.pdf][pdf]] |
| François Bonnarel | 15' + 3' | <b>FoV data model: integrating a rendering class</b><br /><br /> (abstract) | |
| Mathieu Servillat | 15' + 3' | <b>One-step Provenance updates </b><br /><br />One-step Provenance proposes a simplified structure to describe the provenance of an entity as a succession of steps, based on the IVOA Provenance Data Model. We will present the last updates on the propose data model, as well as improvement of the voprov Python package to handle this concept. | [[%ATTACHURL%/2024-05-22_One-step_provenance_-_Servillat.pdf][pdf]] |

*Joint Session:*
| *DM/DAL/APPS - Thursday, May 23, 16:00 -- 17:30, C122 (Paris, 08:00)* ||||
| *Speaker* |  *Time* | *Title* | *Materials* |
| Mark Cresitello-Dittmar | 15' | *Introduction* <br /><br /> This will primarily be a discussion session to consider options for how Data Models are to be delivered and consumed by clients (DAL, APPS) with vastly different requirements. <br /> The IVOA Data Models to date have been focused primarily on Data Discovery and Access via interactions with database tables. The results of these are served by simple VOTables and/or !DataLink to native format files. More recent Data Model work ( Provenance, Cube family, Mango ) have been directed to more complex use cases and are consequently, more detailed than is desired to serve simple use cases directly. In addition, we have the prospect of integrating the Common Archive Observation Model (CAOM) into our Data Model suite, which has significant concept overlap with existing models, but serves its target clients very well. <br /><br /> How do we develop/present models rich enough to serve the most complex cases AND serve clients who don't require that level of flexibility WITHOUT creating a maze of data models with overlapping content? Bring your ideas! | |
| Laurent Michel | 10' | <b>Epic Propagation project: case in point</b><br /><br />A few words on how MANGO combines user requests with concepts of published models  | |
| | | Open Discussion | |
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pdf	2024-05-21_Gammapy_and_VODF_-_Sinha-Khelifi-Servillat.pdf	r1	manage	9170.7 K	2024-05-20 - 16:12	MathieuServillat
pdf	2024-05-21_IVOA_HE_Note_-_Servillat.pdf	r1	manage	1990.0 K	2024-05-20 - 15:47	MathieuServillat
pdf	2024-05-21_ObsCore_access_to_HESS_public_data_-_Servillat.pdf	r3 r2 r1	manage	3146.3 K	2024-05-21 - 16:00	MathieuServillat
pdf	2024-05-22_One-step_provenance_-_Servillat.pdf	r2 r1	manage	1936.9 K	2024-05-21 - 16:01	MathieuServillat
pdf	2024-Mango-DM-Sydney.pdf	r1	manage	1605.0 K	2024-05-21 - 22:11	LaurentMichel
pdf	2024-Mivot-Apps-Sydney.pdf	r1	manage	4082.4 K	2024-05-21 - 22:09	LaurentMichel
pdf	Evans_Sydney_Interop_2024.pdf	r1	manage	5957.6 K	2024-05-20 - 23:07	JanetEvans
pdf	Models_and_HE_Data.pdf	r2 r1	manage	2462.1 K	2024-05-20 - 23:19	MarkCresitelloDittmar	DM Compatibility study
pdf	VO-DML_Extensions_PAH.pdf	r1	manage	4940.9 K	2024-05-21 - 20:17	PaulHarrison	VO-DML 1.1